No charges over WA "Weeping Madonna" donations

MarieT · Post by **MarieT** » Tue May 01, 2007 7:20 pm

more disobediance....its been proven a hoax and still they go.....medj in "our own backyard" again

why not frequent the Blessed Sacrament and pray there instead? At least you know your prayers are going to the right 'source'.

No charges over WA "Weeping Madonna" donations

Western Australian police say that they will not pursue a criminal investigation of donations collected by a Rockingham nun to view an alleged Weeping Madonna statue at her home.

IBN News reports that major fraud squad detectives released a statement saying they would not pursue a criminal investigation because they were satisfied there was no criminality involved in the donations.

Their initial inquiry was launched after Catholic officials concluded the weeping was caused by vegetable oil and rose scents, and was not a miracle according to the standards of the church.

Worshippers have not been deterred by the ruling, however, and are still going to see the statue in exchange for a donation to the Holy Family House of Prayer.

http://www.cathnews.com/news/705/14.php

marie

Post by **Denise** » Tue May 01, 2007 8:31 pm

disobedience

KevinSymonds · Post by **KevinSymonds** » Wed May 02, 2007 6:05 am

Oh, yes, I remember this one. I corresponded with the house/statue's owner. She's not with the program of obedience at all. Regretfully, I did not have a printer at that time and the E-mail is unavailable now. I do have a record of having corresponded with her though.

-Kevin

MarieT · Post by **MarieT** » Wed May 02, 2007 8:30 pm

KevinSymonds wrote:Oh, yes, I remember this one. I corresponded with the house/statue's owner. She's not with the program of obedience at all. Regretfully, I did not have a printer at that time and the E-mail is unavailable now. I do have a record of having corresponded with her though.

-Kevin

Kev what are some of the issues you discussed and her response? Would be interesting to hear some feedback, first hand.

blessings
marie

KevinSymonds · Post by **KevinSymonds** » Thu May 03, 2007 6:12 am

I believe that I reminded her of what the Diocese has said and then she went on to undercut it and say that the House there is just to provide a place for people to pray. I asked her a question along the lines of the House having to do with the alleged statue phenomenon and she was doing her d*mnest to scuttle away from the fact.

A little persistence will go a long way in talking to these people. She was trying to tell me that she is obedient and the statue has nothing to do with it, if memory serves, but some questions proved otherwise.

My overall arching question: why are people coming in droves to this one particular place? Could it be they've heard of this alleged statue phenomenon and wish to see it?

Yes, madam, it is and because you don't turn them away, you are liable.

-KJS

MarieT · Post by **MarieT** » Thu May 03, 2007 9:16 pm

addendum from the source

Correction: Our email edition this morning quoted IBN News which incorrectly identified Patty Powell as a nun. She is in fact not a member of a religious congregation

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marie

MarieT · Post by **MarieT** » Thu May 03, 2007 10:00 pm

KevinSymonds
I believe that I reminded her of what the Diocese has said and then she went on to undercut it and say that the House there is just to provide a place for people to pray.

not under the misguidance however that the statue is shedding authentic tears. If the local ordinary found that nothing supernatural is occurring there, then she should let the visitors know.
The Church also provides a place to pray...let the faithful go there.

I asked her a question along the lines of the House having to do with the alleged statue phenomenon and she was doing her d*mnest to scuttle away from the fact.

good question!
In fact, the 'house' should be highlighting that the church investigations found that the statue was NOT weeping and that there is nothing supernatural going on.

A little persistence will go a long way in talking to these people. She was trying to tell me that she is obedient and the statue has nothing to do with it, if memory serves, but some questions proved otherwise.

If she is advertising the statue's weeping as authentic then she is indeed not obediant, seeing the church findings show the opposite.

My overall arching question: why are people coming in droves to this one particular place? Could it be they've heard of this alleged statue phenomenon and wish to see it?

curiosity...no doubt and a wishful thinking that the real Holy Mother could appear in their vicinity or a travel-able vicinity.

Yes, madam, it is and because you don't turn them away, you are liable.

-KJS

yes she is liable.
thanks for the feedback

marie

MarieT · Post by **MarieT** » Thu May 03, 2007 10:05 pm

Unfortunately the promoters have issued a website on this phenomena....a 'shrine' as they 'delicately' put it...... quite an extravagant one with pictures and music etc.... I'll refrain from posting the link here however so as not to promote it.

Those wishing to contact the site and state their concerns about obediance to the church findings, can pm me a request and i'll pm the link. Alternatively if my pm box gets full again and the pm is bounced back, one can contact any of the other admins as they also have access to that link (administration site).

blessings
marie

KevinSymonds · Post by **KevinSymonds** » Thu May 03, 2007 10:41 pm

Only the Bishop can declare a place to be a Shrine. I do believe that is a tacit teaching in Canon Law.

-KJS

KevinSymonds · Post by **KevinSymonds** » Sat May 19, 2007 10:13 am

Marie, wouldn't you know, while looking through my E-mail archives for something, I found those E-mails the woman with the 'weeping madonna' statue sent me. I hope they help you in your cause! Sorry, but I do not have the E-mails I wrote her, but will keep my eyes peeled in case I filed them.

Her FIRST E-mail Response to Me:

2/26/2007 7:01:55 PM Central Daylight Time
weepingmadonna@iinet.net.au

The Holy Family House of Prayer
23 Keppell Mews
Rockingham West Australia 6168
www.weepingmadonna.org
61 8 9527 9165
Through Mary to Jesus

Dear Kevin

Thanks for your e mail. The website is my own personal website of the events that are happening here in Rockingham. My sister and I are in contact with the Archbishop and do not do anything unless in obedience to his direction. The Archbishop said in his findings that it might be of divine origin but because they could not prove that their was human intervention they err on the side of caution. Below is a statement that was given to a man who contacted the Archbishop for a comment on a article he is writing.

In a phone conversation with Archbishop Hickey on February 13, 2007, "We cannot conclude that the phenomena occurring at the Shrine in Rockingham are from supernatural powers, so far we have not been able to rule out the possibility of human intervention. They may be of supernatural origin, and people are free to come to the Shrine and pray, but the statue cannot remain in the church. There have not been any further investigations after the original findings, on which I have already reported."

It is not only about a statue weeping Kevin. This might bring people to the Shrine but we have been asked to reach out to all that come, to not judge but to meet people where they are at. We do not know the burdens that people are carrying and that we are only a stepping stone in their faith. We feel that we are called to pray with people and sometimes to be an ear. In all of this we want only to do God's Will and not our own. It is to be done in gentleness. We are all being tested and purified and it will be in God's time that this will prove to be authentic. That might be after I have left this world and that is okay because God's timing is perfect.

God Bless

Patty Powell

Her SECOND E-mail response to me:

2/26/2007 9:52:28 PM Central Daylight Time
weepingmadonna@iinet.net.au

The Holy Family House of Prayer
23 Keppell Mews
Rockingham West Australia 6168
www.weepingmadonna.org
61 8 9527 9165
Through Mary to Jesus

Dear Kevin

As I said to you we are in total obedience to the Archbishop. I don't feel that I am being disobedient to him by telling the story and displaying pictures on my website. I have enclosed the links to the DVD which tells the story of Rockingham. This can be viewed by clicking on the links below. There is another documentary that comes out shortly called Weeping Women and this actually gives the Archbishop's full statement and not the abridged.

Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XywpMGuS64E

Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXpA0Rd9-1Y

Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9aa9yzHVUs

Part 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0xxygbBCdU

The only update since the DVD is that we have been given permission to have the Blessed Sacrament permanently. I am not sure where you are situated but you are most welcome to come and visit us at anytime. We have a house next door "Bethany" for pilgrims to stay.

God Bless
Patty Powell

MarieT · Post by **MarieT** » Sat May 19, 2007 10:57 pm

kevin,
thanks heaps for posting this...interesting response from this woman, but going from my original post where this was stated:

Their initial inquiry was launched after Catholic officials concluded the weeping was caused by vegetable oil and rose scents, and was not a miracle according to the standards of the church.

thanks again for posting this for the rest of us to see and of course for taking the time to write to this person in the beginning to voice your concerns.

blessings
marie