Does anyone know anything about Olive Dawson? She is either from Ireland or England and supposedly lives only on the Eucharist. She spoke recently at a local church here on Long Island. I declined an invitation to hear her speak-I'm really not into any of this stuff anymore. But, I have MANY friends who go to hear anyone who claims to be a mystic, visionary etc. My internet search came up with very little. Anyone out there know anything?
Thanks,
MaryG
Olive Dawson
You know, it doesn't take a real smart person to pretend to have visions; all one has to do is study real approved apparitions and the messages given at Lourdes and Fatima, then all they have to do is repeat them in their own way, so long as they are in line with what the real message was. This seems to be a very profitable business doesn't it?
denise
denise
Olive Dawson
How come so many good Catholics are falling for this stuff?! How could wisdom be in such short supply?
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KevinSymonds
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You know, I wonder that myself sometimes and the answer is even scarier than these false claims IMHO. The answer is very multi-faceted and would be the subject of a doctoral dissertation. So for us simple-minded folk, the short answer is:How come so many good Catholics are falling for this stuff?! How could wisdom be in such short supply?
Lack of catechesis.
-KJS
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http://www.visionsofjesuschrist.com/weeping256.htm
Nope, this woman ain't legit. If you are truly living on the Blessed Sacrament alone, you do NOT go around and broadcast yourself like that. Sorry, it doesn't work that way.
-KJS
Nope, this woman ain't legit. If you are truly living on the Blessed Sacrament alone, you do NOT go around and broadcast yourself like that. Sorry, it doesn't work that way.
-KJS
It seems every day someone else is cashing in on the lucrative "business" of abusing the Body of Christ. One has to think how many of Those Drops of Blood that were Sweat out of Christ during the Agony in the Garden were due to sins committed because of false apparitions....
The false apparitions are cancer and they seem to be malignant!
The false apparitions are cancer and they seem to be malignant!
I think many Catholics fall for these "apparitions" etc because so many Catholics are not satisfied with Jesus. Jesus revealed to us everything that we need and everything that we need to know. There is no further revelation needed. Apparitions such as at Fatima and Lourdes have been approved by the Church, but they are still not neccessary i.e. we don't have to believe them. ( For the record I do!) I really think that there are many Catholics who live to have this "experience" of a vision or apparition or a supernatural dream etc. I can understand this...who of us would not want to see our Blessed Mother or Jesus face to face? However, we should not live to experience an apparition we should live to receive Jesus in the Eucharist and one day meet Him face to face. He should be our all in all. I think it is difficult, especially for uncatechized (sp?) Catholics, to not fall into this mindset of experiencing something supernatural. Hope this post makes sense!
Olive Dawson
I have a book called MARY IN OUR LIFE (copyright 1954) By Rev. William G. Most. There is an excellent chapter in the book on visions and revelations. The author deals with both the people who experience visions and the people who hear about them. Father Most states,"It is obvious that we must always keep in mind the true place of visions - that although they may be helpful, they are not the essence of the spiritual life; they are not the proximate means of union with God, and they do not necessarily make us holy. St. John of the Cross warns us that attachments to such things will actually hinder our spiritual progress. In fact, he adds that if our spiritual director seems fond of visions, we ought to give him up!"
MaryG
MaryG
Father William Most is excellent. Here is a library of his works.
you have a point there jr.....i once read a book that stated an apparition passed shouldnt have been passed, but they saw good from it- ie people returning to the church
....cant recall the title (it was many eons ago...back in the dark ages as my kids say, when i was but a teen)
marie
....cant recall the title (it was many eons ago...back in the dark ages as my kids say, when i was but a teen)
marie
"He who followeth Me, walketh not in darkness." sayeth the Lord
From the Pope's new document...this says it all. Those who like to put words in the mouth of Our Lady need to read and follow HER EXAMPLE! I will highlight what I am referring to here. She was OBEDIENT!
The Eucharist and the Virgin Mary
33. From the relationship between the Eucharist and the individual sacraments, and from the eschatological significance of the sacred mysteries, the overall shape of the Christian life emerges, a life called at all times to be an act of spiritual worship, a self-offering pleasing to God. Although we are all still journeying towards the complete fulfilment of our hope, this does not mean that we cannot already gratefully acknowledge that God's gifts to us have found their perfect fulfilment in the Virgin Mary, Mother of God and our Mother. Mary's Assumption body and soul into heaven is for us a sign of sure hope, for it shows us, on our pilgrimage through time, the eschatological goal of which the sacrament of the Eucharist enables us even now to have a foretaste.
In Mary most holy, we also see perfectly fulfilled the "sacramental" way that God comes down to meet his creatures and involves them in his saving work. From the Annunciation to Pentecost, Mary of Nazareth appears as someone whose freedom is completely open to God's will. Her immaculate conception is revealed precisely in her unconditional docility to God's word. Obedient faith in response to God's work shapes her life at every moment. A virgin attentive to God's word, she lives in complete harmony with his will; she treasures in her heart the words that come to her from God and, piecing them together like a mosaic, she learns to understand them more deeply (cf. Lk 2:19, 51); Mary is the great Believer who places herself confidently in God's hands, abandoning herself to his will. (102) This mystery deepens as she becomes completely involved in the redemptive mission of Jesus. In the words of the Second Vatican Council, "the blessed Virgin advanced in her pilgrimage of faith, and faithfully persevered in her union with her Son until she stood at the Cross, in keeping with the divine plan (cf. Jn 19:25), suffering deeply with her only-begotten Son, associating herself with his sacrifice in her mother's heart, and lovingly consenting to the immolation of the victim who was born of her. Finally, she was given by the same Christ Jesus, dying on the Cross, as a mother to his disciple, with these words: ‘Woman, behold your Son."' (103) From the Annunciation to the Cross, Mary is the one who received the Word, made flesh within her and then silenced in death. It is she, lastly, who took into her arms the lifeless body of the one who truly loved his own "to the end" (Jn 13:1).
Consequently, every time we approach the Body and Blood of Christ in the eucharistic liturgy, we also turn to her who, by her complete fidelity, received Christ's sacrifice for the whole Church. The Synod Fathers rightly declared that "Mary inaugurates the Church's participation in the sacrifice of the Redeemer." (104) She is the Immaculata, who receives God's gift unconditionally and is thus associated with his work of salvation. Mary of Nazareth, icon of the nascent Church, is the model for each of us, called to receive the gift that Jesus makes of himself in the Eucharist.
The Eucharist and the Virgin Mary
33. From the relationship between the Eucharist and the individual sacraments, and from the eschatological significance of the sacred mysteries, the overall shape of the Christian life emerges, a life called at all times to be an act of spiritual worship, a self-offering pleasing to God. Although we are all still journeying towards the complete fulfilment of our hope, this does not mean that we cannot already gratefully acknowledge that God's gifts to us have found their perfect fulfilment in the Virgin Mary, Mother of God and our Mother. Mary's Assumption body and soul into heaven is for us a sign of sure hope, for it shows us, on our pilgrimage through time, the eschatological goal of which the sacrament of the Eucharist enables us even now to have a foretaste.
In Mary most holy, we also see perfectly fulfilled the "sacramental" way that God comes down to meet his creatures and involves them in his saving work. From the Annunciation to Pentecost, Mary of Nazareth appears as someone whose freedom is completely open to God's will. Her immaculate conception is revealed precisely in her unconditional docility to God's word. Obedient faith in response to God's work shapes her life at every moment. A virgin attentive to God's word, she lives in complete harmony with his will; she treasures in her heart the words that come to her from God and, piecing them together like a mosaic, she learns to understand them more deeply (cf. Lk 2:19, 51); Mary is the great Believer who places herself confidently in God's hands, abandoning herself to his will. (102) This mystery deepens as she becomes completely involved in the redemptive mission of Jesus. In the words of the Second Vatican Council, "the blessed Virgin advanced in her pilgrimage of faith, and faithfully persevered in her union with her Son until she stood at the Cross, in keeping with the divine plan (cf. Jn 19:25), suffering deeply with her only-begotten Son, associating herself with his sacrifice in her mother's heart, and lovingly consenting to the immolation of the victim who was born of her. Finally, she was given by the same Christ Jesus, dying on the Cross, as a mother to his disciple, with these words: ‘Woman, behold your Son."' (103) From the Annunciation to the Cross, Mary is the one who received the Word, made flesh within her and then silenced in death. It is she, lastly, who took into her arms the lifeless body of the one who truly loved his own "to the end" (Jn 13:1).
Consequently, every time we approach the Body and Blood of Christ in the eucharistic liturgy, we also turn to her who, by her complete fidelity, received Christ's sacrifice for the whole Church. The Synod Fathers rightly declared that "Mary inaugurates the Church's participation in the sacrifice of the Redeemer." (104) She is the Immaculata, who receives God's gift unconditionally and is thus associated with his work of salvation. Mary of Nazareth, icon of the nascent Church, is the model for each of us, called to receive the gift that Jesus makes of himself in the Eucharist.
Devotion to the souls in Purgatory contains in itself all the works of mercy, which supernaturalized by a spirit of faith, should merit us Heaven. de Sales